Anyone else go see it last night? I gotta say, I was pretty impressed. I know it was different, but they really did a good job of drawing new fans into Trek.
Even my brother, who has always done whatever he could to avoid Trek, really liked it. I guess if they found a way to revive the series, I'm on board.
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I won't see it until Saturday. I have high hopes. Of course, I've had high hopes for every Trek movie!
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I lucked out and got to see it last Sunday week at a sneakpeak, I liked it but it left me with a hollow feeling as to where it will go next.
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I saw it last night. This I think is as fair as it gets. It was the biggest lump of crap I have ever seen and yet it was amazing! I think it is fair to say
that if you are not a Star Trek fan, you will love it. If you are, depending how much of a fan you are, you may or may not like it. They really screw with a
tons of stuff, but we already knew they were going to. Some parts in it ticked me off more then any Star Trek film ever has, and yet there was some really cool
stuff in it and some really funny stuff. I can't fight the fact no matter how much I may want to, Quinto is a good Spock. Nimoy will always be Spock, but
Quinto is a great back up hitter. I don't want to get into particulars just yet to lets others see it, but I think I would have liked it a lot more if it
WASN'T Star Trek.
I'm still not happy with the idea of following an alternate universe Star Trek from now on, I mean I do feel a little betrayed. Over the last almost 20 years while many fans have come and gone through the various shows and movies, I've stuck around with TNG, then DS9 and Voyager and then finally Enterprise. I kind of would like to see the continuation of THAT version, but it seems the masses have spoken and what a fresh start. Oh well, I guess there just isn't such thing as commitment anymore...
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I don't see what everyone's aversion is to the "reboot" concept
Battlestar Galactica Batman Begins Casino Royale Whether or not it "works" is relative to how open your mind is. The more die-hard a fan you are - of whatever your property of choice is - the more mentally myopic you become. Don't get hung up on the actors and art direction. Look at the concept, the spirit of the story. As long as it's true to the idea of the character(s), don't obsess over the measurable details.
My outlook on life - we're all on the Hindenburg anyway...no point fighting over the window
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Just left a big long post and then lost it!
Anyway, it basically boils down to this... If the Star Trek franchise is to survive and flourish, it had to reinvent itself. This movie seemed to do that without disrespecting (much) what came before. Sure it probably had the least amount of dialog than any other Trek film, but it had the most action! That is probably more a sign of the movie going times. For the record, the wife and I liked it. And Karl Urban really nailed the part of McCoy!
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Warning, spoiler!
(Edited by Ric Easton... Sorry, Milo, Too soon for that bit of info, I think. Maybe in a week!)
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Ok, you know what? Since specifics don't matter anymore, let's "re-imagine" some other stuff too!
Let's re-create "Star Wars" and this time, instead of them being Jedi's in a Galaxy Far, Far Away, they are really Buddhist monks in Tibet! And Chewbacka is a circus bear that escaped the circus, Luck is a run away from a New York orphanage and Han is a Street Hustler from Indonesia! Then let's re-create "Harry Potter" who from now on will be an American scientist trapped in ancient Greece. For the re-creation of "Stargate" we can have them go from planet to planet by clicking their magic red ruby slippers three times and by saying the magic words "There's no place like (fill in the name of alien world). My point? Specifics DO MATTER if the stories and charters mean anything to you. And honestly, I find it funny all the folks complaining about Voyager or Enterprise or Nemesis this whole time since they used many of the same tricks in this film. Main difference? Instead of Berman, it was JJ and they used the whole "this is a different time line" crap to cover up their mess. I don't get how when Berman was doing much of this stuff it was "That's trash and just not Star Trek" and yet now that Abrams is doing it, it's amazing? Tell me, off of just this first film, how many "Strange New Worlds" did our heroes discover? How many moments did they reflect on what it means to be human and the human condition? There was minor mention between Spock and Sarek, but over all? Not really. THAT'S Star Trek!
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Well, I guess I'd counter with... How many strange new worlds did they visit in the last few movies? I guess Insurrection and The Final Frontier would have
two of those worlds... and those were pretty poor movies. I think the movie line of Trek had been less about exploring and more about trying to re-create Wrath
of Khan in an action movie. For good or bad... If Star Trek is to "Live Long and Prosper" in the future, I think this is how its gotta be. They have
to cater to the 20 somethings and below if they want to keep pace with other Summer movies. Modern movie audiences/action fans do not want a movie that will
make them think. They want popcorn gobbling escapism. They want "Transformers." With any luck, the writers will be able to give us some more
"intelligent sci-fi stories. I just wouldn't hold my breath.
Again, I think they did a pretty good job. Much better than I had expected. But my Star Trek is over. Fortunately, I have hundreds of hours of it to enjoy again and again. Yes, even Star Trek 5! I think it helps (at least for me) if you think of this as not only an alternate timeline, but I think our old friend Spock, from the 24th Century, slipped into a parallel universe as well. One where Mr. Scott is a lot more hyper-kinetic and where young Spock may not have settled on his path yet. For those of you who think the original Star Trek was sacred and never made a misstep, I have five words for you... "Brain? Brain? What is brain?"
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it's a cliffhanger. They end up in an alternate timeline, but they may yet fix it. I have a cool idea of how that could happen. That's right, I'm
writing Star Trek 12.
 No spoilers yet, I can discuss it after more people watch it.
All & All, this was a great Trek movie. A few cringeworthy moments - Beastie Boys?! c'mon. |
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Ok keep this short to aviod spoilers !!!!
On the whole it was enjoyable, I knew the timeline was gonna get messed up so put that to one side..... Over all pretty good performances, Karl Urban , Chris Pine and to some extent Zachary Quinto ( the odd look still put me in mind of Sylar  ) but the down
side character wise was Simon Pegg  ( and I'm a big Pegg fan ) !!!
For one his accent kept slipping and since when did Scotty become a skinny runt ???? Paul McGillion would have been so much better !!!!! And my final complaint!! Since when did Star Trek have such obvious product placement ????? sign of the times I suppose
But overall a good watch if you don't want to think too much. P.S. be interesting to see what the next one is like as the even numbers tend to be the better films  :
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In Star Trek IV Captain Kirk drank a Michelob, Scotty invented transparent aluminum on a Mac, and Sulu looked up helicopters the Pacific Bell Yellow Pages.
(I hate product placement too.)
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Ok, let's make this nice and simple as IGN basically points out everything you really need to know here. Basically, congrats to all you "Star
Wars" fans as they basically have taken over our beloved franchise. "Your crazy!" you may be saying? Take a good look at this:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/982/982293p1.html Basically? This film is "Star Wars" with a "Star Trek" cover face. I don't know about you, but my loyalties still side with 'Star Trek." If your more of a "Star Wars" fan anyway, well then I'm happy you finally got a "Star Trek" film you could enjoy and that you have conquered our beloved "Trek." Looks like in the "Trek/ Wars" rivalry, you guys won out in the end, good for you. If your a "Star Trek" fan and love this new direction, that slimy feeling on your head would be the egg on your face. Star Trek 1966 - 2005 R.I.P. The thing about discussant on entertainment is that there really is no right or wrong, it always come down to opinions. But, even with that, there are some hard facts, like how JJ Abrams has already gone on record letting everyone know he was more of a "Star Wars" fan. The truth is there if you care to see it. But again, if you are the kind of person who likes "Star Wars" better anyway, then this is just the best thing since sliced bread! Good for you. PS: Star Trek IV was set in "modern times" and as such, product placement would have been inevitable. Being as normally on a Star Trek movie or tv show that woud be hard to without really selling out, I bet the powers that be at Paramount really enjoy time travel stories set in "modern times" as then they can make up for it in their eyes.
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Oh quit crying. Don't turn this into an "us vs. them" thing. I personally like ST and SW equally for different reasons. One does not outweigh the
other, at least in my mind.
Product placement is a matter of perspective. You expect to see product logos in a "modern times" movie because it makes sense. I'm assuming you're talking about the bar scene in JJ-Trek? Well, what does a bar look like nowadays? They've got beer logos and posters for Absolut in there too. Why would the future be any different? Now, if Scotty would have beamed up Kirk and Spock at the end of the film and then took a moment to celebrate with a shot of Scotch right there in the transporter room, THAT would be stupid product placement and would piss me off. As long as A) they're not stopping the story and B) it makes sense in the context of the specific scene, then who gives a shit what logos show up? As far as audience reactions, well, maybe the Star Wars formula of "more action, less talk" is what this particular Trek needed. There are people raving about this film that would have never been caught dead even thinking about going to one of the previous Trek films except maybe for Wrath of Khan or Voyage Home. JJ has make Trek cool again to the general public. Now that he's got their attention, as well as gotten the obligatory "origin" story out of the way, the next film can cover deeper philosophical ground and start getting into the kind of Trek the fans are used to....within reason. See, that's the fine line they have to tread, and needed to even with this film - it needed to be "Trek-y" enough to get the support of the existing fanbase, but no SO "Trek-y" as to be dismissed by the general public as something that only appeals to "those weird Trekkie idiots with the bad fitting costumes and rubber ears." Go look at your DVD shelf. All your TOS, movie, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT discs still exist, right? You can still put them in your DVD player and watch them, correct? So, exactly HOW did all the previous series suddenly get erased? Hell, they explained RIGHT IN THE FILM that an alternate timeline has been created, and the fact that Spock Prime was there to explain said fact pretty much proves that the "Vintage" Trek still exists. If it didn't, if it was wiped out, then Spock Prime should have just poofed out of existence in the "new" timeline. He didn't. People can accept reboots of Galactica, Bond and Batman, why not Trek? What makes Trek so "Holier than thou" that no one is allowed to do a fresh take on it from the beginning? Hell, Trek even admits WITHIN ITSELF that JJ has the right idea....what's that line...something about...going where they haven't gone before...?
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Ok ZIZ, I just have to screw with you on this subject for a bit. Why you ask? Because. That's why.
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can we talk spoilers yet?
did most people like it here? seems like everyone hated it. |
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Ok, been out for a week... Spoilers away! And for the record, I liked it. Definitely not my Star Trek, but a good new beginning and it has a real shot of
continuing the franchise. They were never gonna be successful if they didn't try to cater to the young movie going crowd. There were some things that did
not sit quite right. Spock's friendliness with Uhura and Kirk's quick climb in rank, but hey, its only a movie, right? I'll be interested to see
where they go next.
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Vulcan go **Boom**
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I just got back from seeing it a second time (this time with the family, first time with coworkers) and still liked it. The only thing I can really take issue
with is just the presence of Tyler Perry, no matter how small the role was...but don't let that keep you from seeing the movie!
Ric, I am totally with you on this. I'm just glad they have given it new life after years of decline. I hoped for a bit more of Next Gen, but had this ominous feeling that it died with Data. (By the way, the 4 Countdown to Star Trek comics that came out before the film were worth a read, a few familiar characters show up in them.) I wonder what the big problem is that people have with the new direction. It almost seems that Star Trek really has gone past being merely referred to as a "Cult" show. Its as if everyone is angry that someone came along and actually made it "cool" for everyone. Is it that we feel like we've paid our dues, stuck with it when everyone else thought we and the show were beyond bizarre; and now we don't feel like opening the doors to any new fans? It would be funny if it turned out that Abrams actually did like Trek, but knew he could draw a lot more people by denying it... |
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New fans are the only way the franchise can survive. I hope it does well on this second weekend. I'll be going again sometime during the week to see it in
the IMAX.
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My dad was with us today when we saw it, and he has been a life-long Trek fan. Apparently, he was at the convention when Roddenberry announced that there would
be a Motion Picture. Even he enjoyed it, and he always takes issue with movies that change too much. (Lord of the Rings was great, by his own admission, but
you should have heard him after he saw them for the first time...)
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